Friday, 6 July 2012

Yes We Can Have ObamaCare


I cleared up all this with my dad so if I'm wrong on anything then its his fault too. I'm switching up the question thing and skipping ahead to the prompt "Rant about anything." because I wrote quite a good rant out, and now you're going to read it. I hope.


I'm going to rant on Obamacare, and just socialised healthcare in general, and people's frankly moronic stance on it. You yanks love your insurance companies so let me tell you how they work. Simply put everyone pays a little every so often (typically a month, or a year, I don't know, I have no insurance on anything) and if something goes wrong, the money of everyone goes towards fixing it. This is exactly how socialised healthcare works. I can't be the only one who has figured this out, surely?

There's a big difference though. With insurance companies the bigger a risk you are, the more expensive the premiums are, because the more likely you are to be claiming money. There are some people who simply can't afford insurance thanks to pre-existing conditions. With socialized healthcare instead of paying premiums based on how fit and healthy you are, you simply pay a bit of tax. Hell most of you may end up paying less by telling your insurance companies to fuck off and sticking with social healthcare.

What's even stupidier is the people saying they're going to move to Canada over it. I have good news and bad news people; the good news is that Canada has a better social healthcare system than the NHS, the bad news is being a moron is terminal and not even Canadia can fix it. Social healthcare is just one big insurance scheme where a lot of people end up better off and even if you don't get this, the fact remains that there is no real reason to oppose it.

Oh, you don't want your money to go the poor? What kind of arrogant self serving jackass are you? How about if you were poor, and you needed help, and no one gave it to you, how would you feel? Just because you have enough money to get by today doesn't mean the money is going to be there tomorrow. As someone who has been on the receiving end of social benefits let me tell you there are some people who hate taking handouts, and just don't have much of a choice. Yes there are people who "abuse" the system, but you shouldn't let that stop you from wanting to help the people who aren't like that. Its like bombing Afghanistan because a few of them are shitheads. Wait, what? They already did that? Fuck. Well some Americans are dickheads, can't we just bomb them? We can't? That would be wrong? Well fuck me in the arse and call me Shirley. No seriously, do it. Whatever happened to your "self evident truths" that all men are created equal?

Or is it true that it only counts if you're a rich white man?

PS BAN THE FUCKING BOMB.

I think this picture is the only thing that really suits this post. I miss you Mr Nixon <3 Source
Now I respect you guys, my faithful readers (who have by now probably stopped reading because I'm a filthy communist) and if you can give me one good reason social healthcare sucks other than you don't want your money going to help the poor, then tell me. I will gladly listen to your side of the argument. The NHS (and probably even the Canadian system) has problems, but the fact they exist, and use your money to help the less fortunate, is not one of those problems. If you can afford to go private, you can, and never have to deal with Obamacare.

Also, to clear up once again, I talked to my dad about how healthcare and insurance works, and he agreed they were pretty much the same thing.

I'm also not, I repeat NOT attacking Americans here. I just said before how stupid it is to attack and judge the many based on the actions of the few

56 comments:

  1. Here in Holland we also got social health insurance like the USA got now.
    So we pay money to the government every month so our medical bills won't be so damn high.
    But we also have a 'Own Risk' clausule.
    This means that we have to pay the first €250,- ourselves. They're going to change it to €500,-..


    I'm lucky I'm not sick much, but if I am I'll have to pay for it myself. So why do I pay that money every month?

    Oh yeah, the best part? It's stated by law that everyone MUST be insured..

    Living in Holland sucks sometimes..

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    1. The same deal with the ID card, it's stupid you have to PAY for something you are required to have by law, however cheap or expensive it is. It's insane, and I still don't understand why they withdrew their "ID cards are free from now on" statement.

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    2. Healthcare should be totally free, as should any kind of ID card, but sadly they aren't :( Until they are then social healthcare is a good deal. Healthcare needs to be free though because right now people don't really want to cure shit, because you can get more money for treating people, than you do for getting rid of it. Imagine how much money people would lose if they immunised AIDS, or cured cancer?

      You do have a really weird system I don't really understand Gerdrik. You pay money to the government but instead of getting proper healthcare for it, you just get cheaper healthcare? Well really that's kind of how it works over here. Sadly. Some things might be free, or cheaper, but you still have to pay for things like medicine unless you're too young, or too old, to be able to pay.

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  2. There is no perfect system. There is no perfect solution. There is no way to make everyone happy. Insurance and pharmaceutical companies are crooks. And I wanted to move to Canada long before this was even an issue.

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    1. Well the perfect solution is free healthcare for all. But that doesn't make everyone happy. No one would want to be a doctor to then administer the medicine, and no one would want to do the research to cure the diseases. As much as I may hate that all healthcare isn't free, I do accept money is a great motivator and is sadly necessary. You should move to Canada. Canada rocks. Just move there for the right reasons :)

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  3. Uh, what's social healthcare?

    LOL

    I'll cal you Shirley. I'll fulfill the other end of the deal some other day, when I have enough money. :P

    Seriously, I agree with you.

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    1. Social healthcare is when healthcare is funded by the government. In a perfect world it would mean you never have to pay for surgery or medicine, but in the current one, it means that it's cheaper, and occasionally free for really bad things.

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  4. I live in Hong Kong, the healthcare is pretty good as far as I can tell, but I really don't understand the implications of social health care as far as I know. I'm really an idiot when it comes to things such as this.

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    1. There are some dire implications I'll give ya that. But there are plenty of positives too.

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  5. I'm married to a Yank and currently we have over 6 figures in medical bills and the Hubby would not have Obamacare. We are those people who "fell through the cracks" who there is no type of aid for. In the States, the poor are provided for, they get Medicare and Food Stamps and monthly cash. It's middle class hard-working people like us that get no aid and have no insurance because we are not "poor enough" So the Hubbies opposition to this is not an issue of money, rather it is one of principal. His country is a Democracy and he is not willing to trade that off so that we can have our medical bills paid.

    That said due to the actions of his government abroad and to other internal policies the Hubby intends to quit America for good when we go back to Ireland this time. He will never return to his country again after he leaves it. Things are just that bad in the States.

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    1. I can agree with this. In schemes like this, and every kind of government scheme, the middle class are overlooked. It's bad to be poor, but it is somehow worse to not poor enough. To just miss the threshold. This is why I would like things like healthcare for all. Not just the poor, but for everyone.

      Ireland will be lucky to have you two back :) I hope he's fit to travel soon, and that he gets good care over here.

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  6. I live in Massachusetts which the system was based off of. I love when people who don't live in Mass are all "look what happened to Mass it's a mess." Um now it's not. We're fine and everyone has insurance. The system makes it much easier for people to get health insurance and there are more options.

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    1. gah oops meant not it's not, not now.

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    2. Well I don't know how things in Mass are so I'll take your word for it and not come up with an opinion I can't back up with facts.

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  7. I agree with you completely in this post man, I'm definitely not offended in the slightest haha even though I sort of and sort of don't agree with your points in certain aspects. You've presented a well written argument and you're well within your right to voice them.

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    1. Hey you're well within your right to disagree :) I'm not going to say our system is perfect, and it seem Obamacare isn't what people make it out to be, but my thoughts that healthcare and insurance are pretty much the same is accurate at least.

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  8. nice post
    health care is must but it should reach to needy people.

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  9. Like Ginny, I live in Massachusetts so there's not much of a change for me either. I was already allowed to stay on my parents insurance until 26 , it was illegal to not have health insurance in Mass, and we have laws that prevent high premiums on pre-existing conditions. So, not much change for me.

    Though, I can see where some people are coming from regarding the harms that could befall Obamacare. Granted, I've always lived in Mass so I don't know what it's like without these rules, but I know some people fear that adding millions of citizens to health coverage without adding more doctors my lessen the care provided. We already have a lackluster medical staff in this country as is. Also, now instead of just paying for medical care, we also have to pay for the government to oversee it.

    However, we will have better regulation by the government on enforcing the premiums regarding pre-existing conditions as many health insurance agencies found ways to dodge the law with repercussions.

    But, overall, I really don't care as nothing is really changing for me.

    As for the reason people think Massachusetts is such a "mess," it's because we have ridiculously high taxes compared to our neighbors (hence the name "Taxachusetts").

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    1. without repercussions*

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    2. The lack of doctors is a complaint heard over here as well. That is a valid argument. Being a doctor takes a lot of hard work to become a doctor. There may be ways to encourage people to be doctors. They also need better regulations if people are worming their way around laws.

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  10. So, your problem is with the people who are being asshats and don't want to pool in money that can possibly be used for the less fortunate shall it be needed? I'm with you there.

    But eh, communism is good... in theory. Sadly, due to human nature being shitty, it rarely ever works 100% in practice.

    (everything should just be free?)

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    1. Communism is good in theory, but sadly I don't think everything will ever be free. Not until everyone everywhere learns to take care of everyone else.

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  11. Obamacare isn't "socialized health care", but I honestly wish it was. So called "Obamacare" didn't even include a "government option" to provide competition for private health insurance companies. I am way oversimplifying it, but basically Obamacare eventually forces nearly everyone to buy private insurance, in the hopes that everyone being in the pool, and contributing will lower the premiums. If you truly, truly can't afford it, I think there are some sort of government subsidies to help..but I think you have to be so ridiculously poor to get them, that I wouldn't qualify. When you read about right wing pundits in America calling it "socialism", they are lying. Obama's plan is actually the same plan that neo-conservatives like Mitt Romney, and Newt Gingrich had supported in the past. I agree with you 1000%...I always believed the wealthy should have to pay their fair share. If i was super rich I would WANT to pay my fair share. I can not fathom the greediness of the super rich.

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    1. I don't really understand the super rich either but I suppose to be that rich you have to be a bit greedy. I'm kind of sad that I was wrong about Obamacare. At least I was right in how socialised healthcare is the same as insurance. To be honest his Obamacare thing made me like him. He isn't my leader, but I still feel betrayed by him.

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  12. I think they want to introduce something similar here, but people are against it because apparently, you can only have one particular GP and there's a maximum amount that can be spent on your illness, etc.

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    1. Well the maximum amount that can be spent on your illness thing is true. There are some treatments that aren't available on the NHS because they're too costly, and don't afford a much better life. Such as something expensive that would only give a person a few months extra. This is one of the major flaws with it. But the one GP thing is inaccurate. At least here. Every time I go to the doctors they send me to some one else. Though only having one GP is actually a good thing. They'll be aware of your medical history and knowing them will (hopefully) make it a little easier to talk to them.

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  13. The problem is this, as it stands, before Obamacare entered the picture, the poor were taken care of, as Anne stated. It was the middle class who were not and we racked up medical bills if we didn't have insurance. If we did have insurance and our insurance companies decided our illness wasn't covered or our medicines weren't covered, we racked up medical expenses. Now, with Obamacare, the middle class is still getting screwed only under the guise of taxes i.e. penalties to have a healthcare system that in a few years will not have enough doctors to cover the amount of people now in the system. People in the States moan and groan about how messed up things are that are now run by the our government (IRS, USPS, DMV, just to name a few) what will happen when you open up our personal health care to them?? My own health insurance premium has increased before Obamacare was passed because my healthcare is considered a "cadalliac" plan. Really? Because my husband chose to serve his country?? Now, we got an email letting us know to expect it to triple by 2015. We are better off dropping it, and paying the tax at this point. It has nothing to do with being rich...it's the middle class that's getting screwed here.

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    1. The middle classes do get fucked over a lot more than the poor do really. That's something I've accepted several times in these comments. I really thought America took care of their veterans. You are in a very crappy situation right now, and I hope that whatever may come along, helps people like you, who seriously need it. If not, then may you get out in time. Canada is lovely really. I would totally recommend it. Just get there before all the Texans do :)

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    2. LOL - I'd never move to Canada. I love America! =)

      Sadly, no, Mark. We were once a country that took care of our vets but somehow as the years pass that sentiment is slipping away.

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  14. In Ireland if you work, you pay the doctor just to see him, you pay cash to just walk into A&E, you pay for letters, a hospital bed, every single drug on the prescription......in England where I am now you pay only for the prescription!!!!!

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    1. You got out of Ireland? I didn't know that. Yeah here you just pay for the prescription. I'd say I couldn't imagine paying to just go see the doctor but that's how the vets work too.

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  15. AND THE SWEDE STANDS UP AND APPLAUDS YOU... loudly. I wouldn't be considered very left-wing here, but in America we'd both be filthy communists. If there's one thing taxes should finance, healthcare should be it.

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    1. THANK YOU KIND SWEDE. We are commies in arms. I actually want to visit America some day, but I would have to keep most of my views to myself.

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  16. as a canadian it sucks paying these much taxes. however its not as bad as some european countries, and dont you live in the uk? so like this shouldnt even affect you. as for americans, invent a cure for stupid. :D

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    1. Obamacare doesn't really affect me, but a stupid nation does. We don't want some idiot in charge of the nuclear bombs. Well, another idiot in charge of some nuclear bombs.

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  17. I'll gladly pay more taxes if we take warning labels off everything and let Darwin get back in the drivers seat

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    1. I'll drink to that! Or I would, if they'd stop telling me how dangerous it is. I'm pretty sure I already knew that.

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  18. So many high fives to you, Mark!

    You figured it out!

    Now if only the majority of (Republican) Americans would! I wholeheartedly agree with a socialized healthcare plan, but America is so wholly invested in privatization that we could never truly get rid of insurance companies. I think a lot of people want equal healthcare, but with the wording of the current bill, people will be taxed/fined if they DON'T have a healthcare plan.

    That's no bueno. Also, there will still be a "premium" healthcare option for those that are wealthy enough to afford it. Does this sound like social healthcare? Not really, at least, not yet. I do like the fact that insurance companies will be mandated to take clients with pre-existing conditions such as cancer and diabetes.

    I think a lot of work needs to be done to improve Obamacare, but I also think that this is the first baby step towards progress. Hopefully, in 2014, when the bill goes into effect, people will finally start to see the positives behind social healthcare.

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    1. Thank you, thank you. Like I said to Jimmy, I'm a bit disappointed that I was wrong about Obamacare, but now it also makes me wonder more why people are so opposed to it. The middle class, like Elsie, being opposed to it, I can understand. It doesn't really sound like much of a healthcare system to me. I would be kind of hoping that by 2014 you guys would have actual social healthcare, but that's asking way too much. It would be safer to just hope that Obamacare isn't cancelled if he loses the election.

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  19. Well, you don't get Obamacare, you damn Brit. We kicked your ass in WW2. Cheerio.

    Seriously thought, I'm glad there's some level of sanity that exists in the halls of power here in America, even though it seems to be disappearing day by day. It's a step in the right direction (though without the Mandate, it may just falter and get fucked up)for America, because we are in desperate need of Healthcare reform. I mean, here I sit, sans healthcare. Thanks, America.

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    1. Dude I hope you can get some healthcare. It's a step at least, no matter what it is. There is actually sanity in the halls of power? That's good to know.

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  20. Both my parents were communists, and still hold fast to a lot of those beliefs, so my opinion will not be taken seriously by many. Madeline and I debate this often. She is against socialized health care. I am not even sure she would feel comfortable at a public library.

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    1. I really hope you're exaggerating. Public libraries are one of the greatest things ever. I love my local library. I would take your opinion seriously, and I'm glad you stick to them.

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  21. I like to play ignorant to the whole thing. The less I know the better. I can't control what the President does so why get so upset about it.

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    1. Well you can control it by telling him what you want.

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    2. Mark is right. You have a voice, so use it! Playing dumb doesn't help anyone.

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  22. I don't mind any of these since I'm way far away from his ruling :D

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  23. This all may seem pretty straight forward from an outside perspective, but our conservative right hasn't been capable of rational thought for some time...

    I mean you say what arrogant jackasses are you not wanting a small bit of money going to the poor, and this is towards the same crowd that applauded the idea leaving a man to die who doesn't have health insurance at a republican presidential candidate debate.

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    1. Has any of your guys been capable of rational thought?

      I remember that. I saw that actually. I like Ron Paul, but I was sickened at that. I can not defend it at all.

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    2. "Has any of your guys been capable of rational thought?"
      Considering how you praise a Democrat's bill, I believe you answer your own question.

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  24. Bravo, sir. Bravo. Even though I'm a Yank from the US I completely support the universal health care system. Coming from the inside, I can tell you that it's gaining support...and the primary opponents are old, rich, white people who never have to worry about health insurance because they have full coverage. What about the 50 million men, women, and children who are uninsured? What about college students? The elderly? One-sixth of our society has no insurance, and many others have HMOs with high premiums and low coverage. It's sickening, and disgusting...so while "Obamacare" is going to be a very costly investment, I support it wholeheartedly. With some competition out there, maybe the insurance companies will be forced to lower their rates to compete with the universal policy. We can only hope...

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  25. The whole "Obamacare" debate is just one of the many issues in our country that the two parties have been squabbling about quite some time. As important as it is to give everyone a fair playing field in terms of healthcare, sadly, that is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of whats wrong with our country at the moment. Our education system is fucked, we are behind other countries in technological inovation / scientific feats (also a repercussion of our weak education system), there are people who cannot afford to feed their families and others who are slowly killing themselves with food,.....I could keep going on for a while with everything thats wrong. I think the US needs to have one national week of group therapy and perhaps we could get something done once we purge the aggression. With all of that being said, I still can't imagine living anywhere else.

    PS. Im a little confused by the Nixon photo. You know he forced to resign after the watergate scandal, right? Lol.

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  26. Cheers for writing this post, dude. It shows that you are indeed someone who isn't afraid to say what is on his mind.

    I have to laugh at people who say that ratifying the Affordable Care Act will undermine our liberties, as if competing medical insurance companies don't already do that by making their fleeced customers choose from a list of approved hospitals to see a doctor and then choose the approved pharmacy to buy their approved medicines.

    Without saying too much, I certainly will be an individual who will greatly benefit from socialized healthcare. I have spent a little more than seven years- SEVEN YEARS- without medical insurance in my own country. It wasn't until recently that my mother got the chance to include me with her medical insurance plan at her job. I should count myself fortunate that nothing drastic has happened to me in that time. Knocking on wood is a highly effective preventative cure.

    Oddly enough, it wasn't until I was working in France that I got access to socialized medicine, and I am not even a French citizen. Good health apparently knows no borders.

    I think a good reason to implement social healthcare in the U.S. is that it will drive the ignorant idiots to expatriate themselves to Canada. Canadians: sorry 'bout that. Maybe you should build a wall to keep the illegal immigrants out.

    -Barb the French Bean

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  27. Oh, and here's an extra tidbit of fun: my mother just went the pharmacy (chemists are open on Sundays here) only to learn that her insurance company DENIED letting her have her medication. She had to resort purchasing the medicine from her own pocket. $50 to have five pills.

    With deductibles and premiums, she normally would have paid $40 for thirty pills. Only a few months ago, her share was only $10 for medicine.

    Now, I have to call the insurance company to ask what the fuck is wrong with them. Wish me luck.

    -Barb the (very pissed off) French Bean

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  28. I love this post!

    I agree with you about this. I made a comment on another blog about this but I'm gonna say it here aswell.

    Americans wanting to go to Canada to protest Obamacare is like some Ku Klux Klan member getting tired of all the black people in America and moving to Africa!

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  29. As an American: Ya done good, Mark. Ya done good.

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