Friday, 13 January 2012

Why Choose The Lesser Evil?

I'm going to talk about politics again, if I may. Hell it's my blog so yeah, yeah I am. This time though I'm going to try to avoid comparing everyone to Nazi's and blowing a situation wide open. I'm going to talk instead about political apathy.

This is basically when you've been screwed over so much you really don't care. This is the main reason people don't vote, and why the guy who was already in stays in, as people will just vote for whoever is in power. Fair enough if they're doing a good job, keep voting for them. That's fine. But one of the things it mostly boils down to is being sick of choosing between two evils. I'll say it again but Cthulu really is the answer there. Why vote for the lesser evil?

In the last English election people DID vote for the lesser evil. This time around he was known as Nick Clegg. I tend to vote for Labour because I don't like David Cameron much as an individual (though I did enjoy the way he stood up to Europe) and I don't like the conservatives much anyway. They say you should vote for the party and not the individual but I doubt anyone does. Tony Blair managed to win several elections because he was seen as a pretty cool guy overall. He had charisma. He could talk you into letting him stab you. Gordon Brown on the other hand...no. The less said about him the better. He got into power without winning an election, and seeing as the last election ended in a hung parliament, he technically never lost one either.

I really think though that one of the worst things you can do is not vote. I don't really know all that much about the American political system. It seems you spend a while deciding between several candidates on who gets to run for each party, the Republicans or the Democrats, and then you get to choose between the parties themselves. If you don't like either one, you really are left with little choice but to not vote. At least here in England if you really want to vote for no one who means anything, you can vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party. We have several options for if you really don't give a damn.

I understand not wanting to choose between two evils, and that you've been screwed over a lot. I mentioned Nick Clegg earlier, he was voted for by a lot of students because he promised (he even signed a written document) that he would end tuition fees, and make higher education free again. He entered into a coalition with the Conservatives, and raised (that's right people, he RAISED) tuition fees. He shat on the students from such a height that they thought God himself had defecated upon them.

Barring some form of miracle, I really do not see Clegg ever having a chance in the next election. The coalition doesn't seem to be going to well either from where I sit. But, at the next election, I will vote for anyone but the guys who piss me off. I will tell them with my vote that I don't like them. I would rather choose the lesser of two evils than let the bigger evil have a slightly better chance at coming in.

Then again most politicians are dicks and hide their evil well. People might cite Obama as an example, but I don't live in America, I don't know all the details, I'd like to avoid putting my foot in my mouth.

In summary, please do vote people, even if it's for who you think might be the lesser of two evils.

P.S Ron Paul 2012. Assuming Cthulu is not a late entrant.

44 comments:

  1. I also vote labour - not entirely convinced by them, but prefer them by far to conservatives.

    No comment on lib. dems! Nick Clegg is a failure. Full stop.

    But I agree; having the option to vote is unappreciated, and not taken advantage of nearly as much as it should be. Saying that, I think it's comes down to the laziness of today's Britain, as opposed to people actually giving shit.

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    1. Well laziness does factor into it, but look at the last election. There were so many people wanting to vote that they didn't even have enough time. Our electoral system is lazy too. A lot of people lost out on there votes. I've often wondered if Nick Clegg is actually some kind of genius who is using David Cameron as a scapegoat and not the other way around. Then I remember how retarded he is.

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  2. if it wouldnt be so sad that you actually cant trust someone who should defend your rights, I would laugh myself to death. The situation here in germany is not much different, it just goes slower than in usa because since the WWII no one dares to touch human rights here. But still politics promise one thing, then do the other, say "Im sorry" and then do it again.
    Almost funny how you can put most politicians in one schematic behavior

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    1. Nearly every politician is like that, but occasionally there is one who isn't. Don't be afraid to trust a politician, just be better at spotting the bastards.

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  3. it seems as if they're all evil :X who do we go with haha

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    1. Then you just have to force yourself to go for the lesser evil.

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  4. You're correct in thinking that American politics are dominated by the Republicans and the Democrats. We do have a number of other political parties but none of them have the strength to field a candidate who has any chance of becoming President. Of course, we can vote for anyone we like that meets the requirements set forth in our Constitution but unless that person has either a D or an R next to their name on the ballot they won't win.

    A Libertarian like Dr. Paul can try to get himself the nomination from one of the two major Parties to get a shot at moving into the White House.

    I'm behind in keeping up with the state of politics on the other side of the Atlantic. I hadn't heard of Clegg before.

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    1. Be thankful you hadn't heard of Nick Clegg. I think it's just that Republicans are the closest to what Ron Paul is. I don't really agree much with the Republicans, but I can agree with most of what Paul says. He is a case of voting for the person, not the party really. In England we have the "big 3" in Labour, Conservative, and The Lib Dems, but Labour and Cons are the main two. This time marks the first time that the lib dems have been in power for years, and even then they came in third and formed a coalition.

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  5. You're right, I didn't vote last time due to apathy and country.....

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    1. Try to vote this time. The less people care the more the politicians can get away with screwing you over. I should have put that in the post somewhere actually now I think about it.

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  6. I never liked Gordon Brown, I think I watched too much 2DTV which ripped the piss outta him lol!

    I have no clue about politics or even care about it, tis probably why I have no clue about what each of them stand for. Though I do like Cameron and Obama as people though.

    Over here in Northern Ireland we don't vote for them though, even though we're part of Britain. Instead we vote for DUP, UUP, Sinn Fein, SDLP etc. The only thing I could tell you about them is that some are Protestant based and the others are Catholic based.

    I don't vote and probably never will. I don't even think people vote for what they're standing for, over here it's more of a case of Protestants voting for Protestants and Catholics voting for Catholics.

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    1. 2DTV ripped the piss out of everyone though, I loved that show so much. Nice to know someone else did too :D

      I don't like Cameron much as a person, he's a arrogant, twatty rich boy. Or at least that's what he seems like. He also comes across as cowardly (but the aforementioned Europe situation has proven he has balls).

      I know of Sinn Fein and the DUP but that's about it really. Plus the things I've heard about Fein aren't very nice.

      I think I can understand why you wouldn't vote if that's what it boiled down too. I don't know a great deal about Irish Politics but it isn't seeming too good.

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  7. to be honest I despise politics, which is why I never really pay attention to it anyways BUT when i am old enough to vote ( I'm not 18 yet *cry*) I will make sure to vote for SOMEONE. Since I don't live in england I dunno how the politics over there are but one thing is for sure, they all (every politician) seem to be liars.

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    1. They all do seem to be, but every so often a good guy comes along. Try to retain some tiny form of hope that you can find one.

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  8. Great post. Totally agree. Interesting to get a look at politics over there.

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    1. Simple answer is they aren't going too great.

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  9. Seriously, if Ron Paul doesn't win. The entire world loses.

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    1. You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

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  10. *They* are idiots. Never vote for the party, always look at the person. At least in your country you can afford to do so...(. .__)

    In fact, I believe my own country’s first president, the original “G. Dubya” was right when he wrote this in his farewell address:
    “However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

    You are totally right about our Two Party System. If you don’t like either one you can vote for Ralph Nader or something. In effect, though, you’re just abstaining. (That’s a good word by the way.)

    As for politicians being dicks, well, I direct you to the late, esteemed Douglas Adams who said something to the effect of “Those who most want the job of leading should on no account be allowed to do so.”

    Haha, here I am, a guy who dislikes quoting dead words from dead people, and I did it twice in one response! From two thoroughly dead people, too.

    I would venture to say that Obama, as a person, is to me what Tony Blair was to you, a seemingly thoroughly “likeable” and charismatic guy.
    Those people who “cite Obama as an example” are racist. That’s a statement. It’s not politically nor socially acceptable to say “We can’t accept a nigger in the White House!” anymore so people demand to see his birth certificate, claim he is an Arab, a Muslim, a Nazi, emphasize his middle name is ‘Hussein’ to liken him to Middle Eastern terrorists, etc. Make no mistake, racism against him abounds. Anyone who can’t see through such a thin veil forfeits the quality of ‘intelligence’.

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    1. This is a time I love the reply button. I think there are times when it comes to looking at the person. Alex Salmond was elected in Scotland because he stood for Scottish independence.

      That is a very good speech, and it became very accurate over time. Abstaining is a good word but like I mentioned to someone earlier the more you let them think they've gotten away with things, then the more they will do.

      I didn't know Douglas Adams was dead. I'm now slightly sadder. They were good quotes though, and very true to the original content of the post. I'm not too fond of everyone quoting everyone but I don't mind that either though.

      I think that there are other problems people have with Obama than he's black. I don't think you should say everyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist. People shouldn't be afraid to speak out against him. However the people who are doing it on a purely racist basis are indeed dicks who should be stopped.

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    2. Oh, no, Obama isn't perfect and there are plenty of *legitimate* reasons to disagree with him, I was just pointing out how so SO much of his anti-fan club resort to using those reasons to work against him.

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    3. Well two of the biggest problems I have with him are how he got a nobel prize for what seems to be simply not being George Bush, and taking wayyyyyyy longer than he originally said to pull out of Iraq. Though the first isn't his fault and the second could also not be his fault, there might have been some other reason he couldn't pull out.

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  11. Labour is a pretty cool guy eh invades Iraq and doesn't afraid of anything.

    Seriously though, both the UK and US political systems make it almost impossible for new parties to get seats in the parliament/congress/whatever. Remember how the Lib.Dems got like 20% of the votes but only about 50 seats in the parliament? Also, I've heard that the Green Party is becoming quite popular in northern USA. If their political system was different, more people's voices would be heard.

    Also, I didn't know why people hate Nick Clegg so much. Thanks for clearing that up.

    And regarding Ron Paul, well. I don't know what to think of him. His peaceful foreign policies seem appealing to me, but I'm unsure about how his domestic policies would work out. Has he promised to get rid of the oppressive Patriot Act and stop censorship of the internet? Not sure about the guy, he mostly seems like a kind of more radical "small government republican" to me. But then again, I'm not American.

    Just voted in my own country's presidential election. Didn't vote for Cthulhu, though.

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    1. That was more Tony Blair than Labour and I didn't like that he did that, or followed Dubya around everywhere like a puppy.

      Part of the problem with smaller parties is also a lack of funding. I think if there was someone rich enough to fight them then I think they could break through. It depends on how many votes each politician got really.

      That is just the main reason really. He puts the cunt in ubercunt.

      I'm really for Ron Paul on the foreign policy and things like the patriot act and fighting censorship. He seems to be for all round freedom. Someone I can get behind.

      I'm glad you voted but it's a shame Cthulu was not on the ballot.

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  12. Difficult to choose who to vote for when you live in Mexico. They are all the same.

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  13. I'm not really involved in foreign politics, but crossing my fingers for the great priest of the deep; hope the stars are right.

    Also, in Sweden there's a Donald Duck Party if the regular ol' parties don't suit your tastes.

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    1. I've never wanted to be in Sweden more other than when I heard they have tiny little My Little Ponies.

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  14. These are some really interesting thoughts. I'm guilty of not wanting to choose the lesser of the evils sometimes.

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    1. I've never seen them on the ballot or I would :(

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  16. I'm going to be old enough to vote in the next American Presidential election, and you're right. We spend most of(if not the entire) year prior picking a candidate to run for the major parties, and the rules between ALL 50 states are so drastically different that it causes candidates to overlook some states in favor of other ones.

    As for Ron Paul, I remember really liking his policies when he ran in '08, but since he ran as an independent there was no chance of him being nominated. He's doing ok-ish in the polls right now, but he can't seem to get out of the 3rd place range.

    If Ron Paul were to win he would pretty much divide state and federal powers and the federal government's scope would be WAY smaller (meaning an actual free market economy, albeit regulated, and no more bailouts) and a lot of social welfare things that many people rely on would slowly disappear. I'm hoping that if he does that he'll pull a FDR and create more jobs, but knowing Congress things will be gridlocked and it will take FOREVER to get anything done.

    As far as Obama goes, the reason why a lot of stuff isn't getting done is because the Republicans in Congress are doing everything in their power to hinder him from actually passing any policy. A lot of the gridlock that is going on is done out of spite and isn't necessarily his fault.

    Personally I'll probably vote in the primaries for Paul, and for Obama in the actual election unless Ron Paul gets the Rep. ticket.

    As for that one guy who said that he was going to lower tuition fees: see Ronald Reagan. He said he would lower taxes, but he just ended up raising them. Also, thanks to the wonder that is Reaganomics we're in an environmental hole and addicted to oil and gas.

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    1. You actually know an awful lot about politics and political history. The vote is safe in your hands :) Paul's views on social welfare is one of the big things I disagree with. I can agree that if someone didn't have health insurance and they could easily afford it, then it's kind of their fault if something happens to them and they're left without insurance, but there are people who do depend on social handouts. Bailouts though, we can stop those. There is petty spite in the house and that is one thing that stops things being done here as well as in America. The Republicans raised the debt roof again and again for Dubya but refused to do it for Obama, and they've screwed him over a lot. They need to work together for the good of the country, but no, they won't.

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  17. The American election system is retaredly complicated. It's like the election episode of tree house of horrors: "I believe I'll vote for a third party!" "Go ahead! Throw your vote away!" People believe they're making some profound political statement when voting for a third party, but in a secret ballot, it's just throwing your vote away. Because majority rules in everything but presidential elections (the fucking electoral college), third parties are edged out. There are a few independents in congress, but they're really the exception that proves the rule; most are "blue dog" democrats (AKA fiscally conservative but socially liberal) who caucus with the dems but are pretty much republicans. But I agree. Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't. Depending on the outcome of America's 2012 election, I may find myself ass deep in dissension. I've always wanted to be convicted of treason.

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    1. I don't think that you can be convicted of treason, but if you can, the Patriot Act makes it very very easy to do so. You could aim to be the first American citizen to be detained under the NDAA! One of the saddest things about politics is that money talks. You need money to stand ahead of the game. This is one way Paul is winning. Most of his money comes from the general public, so they see him as being a lot less likely to be corrupt. The banks are not buying his loyalty. He also has more money from servicemen than all the other candidates put together and even Obama, so they seem to be agreeing with his foreign policy. But still, the voting system in most countries is severely screwed by two or three parties breaking ahead of the pack and staying there. In America it's actually more of a help that you have a two party system and don't lie to people and act like you don't.

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    2. Partisanship is killing this country.

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    3. A lot of things are really.

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  18. I agree... No matter what, people must go out and vote. What people do here is that they don't vote, and then complain about how the country is run.

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    1. That is one of the worst things you can do in a political sense if you are not yourself a politician.

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  19. The American political systerm is beyond fucked. I like Ron Paul for his honesty but can't stand behind a lot of his policies/views. Even still, he might be a god change of pace from the crooks and liars we usually get.

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    1. I think it is worth voting for him just because he's honest really.

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  20. I'm amazed Nick Clegg has been shot yet, I really am, the amount of anarchists who hate him and Cameron with a passion its startling he's alive, if anyone ever takes at Cameron you know he will shove Clegg in the way.....

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    1. I'm surprised either of them are still alive really, given all the riots we've had lately, but they also know plenty of hiding spots. Would Cameron shove him in the way or would Clegg willingly take the bullet?

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