Wednesday, 9 November 2011

Remember Remember This 11th November

The 11th of November is Armistice Day, also known as Remembrance Day. This day is a day of remembrance for the war dead. Mostly for World War I, but over time has been for WW2 and all the other wars we've found ourselves in. One tradition of this day is a two minute silence, but this year a problem has occurred.

There is a group of Muslim extremists who are planning on making as much noise as possible during the silence in protest of our military presence in Afghanistan, and their own war dead over there.

Short of attacking a veteran, this is one of the most offensive things they could have done. Needless to say a lot of people are angry, and are calling for such a thing to be banned. But, for there is always a but, one of the main things the people in the war fought and died for is freedom, including the freedom to protest. The right to say and do what you want. There are actually people on both sides of the debate, even though the people on the “ban this” side are saying there shouldn't even be a debate, it should just be banned.

For me, I really am right down the middle on this. I can agree with both sides. I'm a firm believer in “I don't believe in what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it” (apparently not said by Voltaire), and “Free speech is free, it's just that you don't like it when people say what you don't like” (said by me and possibly others).

This protest is going to cause a lot more racial tension, and is going to increase hatred towards Muslims though. Other Muslims are telling them not to do it. I agree that they can protest about the loss of their own soldiers and civilians, and as well as people wearing a red poppy, people also wear a white one which shows remembrance of civilians as well. I think if they really want to protest about the the loss of Muslim and Afghani people, they should probably choose a better way to do it, or a better date. Such as the anniversary of the original invasions after 9/11.

They want to protest as much as they want, and to be allowed to remember their own fallen, but if they want to do this, they should let us remember our own fallen as well.  

31 comments:

  1. I'm more on the side of the day than the protesters, if they don't like it they should ignore it.

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  2. I don't understand why they are trying to offend the moment of silence, I think muslism died as well. It was a World War after all.

    Also Mark, my inbox just exploded with your comments whats up with that?!

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  3. I disagree with you. I support them making noise! There is a silly war going on there that most don't seem to care enough to stop. And the people who want to protest (and yell) are in the middle of a war. All bets are off in a war. Its easy for us to focus on mourning things and living life but they're dying, they're focused on that!
    So yeah I understand them doing what they're doing! We should mourn war in times of peace, but in times of war we should focus on stopping the war. I support them.
    (also Afghanastan supplied 10% of the worlds cocaine pre 2001 but since US troops have been there it supplies over 90% of the worlds cocaine! Something is definitely wrong over there!)

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  4. "Free speech is free, it's just that you don't like it when people say what you don't like” -- I couldn't agree more..

    A two-minute silence for Remembrance Day.. why do some people plan on making noise and protesting on THAT day.. when it is for ALL the people who died during the World War.. :(

    Tsk..

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  5. @The Angry Lurker That's a view that should be taken by the people doing the silence too. Just ignore the people ruining it, and show them they can't get to you. When we get hit by terrorists we don't really give a damn. After 7/7 life just went by the same as it always did, in a way we came closer to beating the terrorists than the soldiers who are dying in Afghanistan will.

    @R.gers I caught up on all your old posts lol. I think that too, and I think that's what the Muslims who are telling them to stop are trying to say too. Remember your own dead, but don't do it like this.

    @Bersercules Or something very right! Think of all the cocaine. Celebrities need it lol. I can agree that during peace time is when we should commemorate the war dead, I can agree with that. Also that war is a time for stopping war, not remembering the wars that have come before, but there are better ways to protest than pissing everyone off and having everyone hate you.

    @Leah They want to do something that will get them attention, even negative. This will get them a whole lot of attention. Last year they were burning poppies during the day, and got arrested for it.

    @Mai Yang Well, that's okay too :)

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  6. Under the recommendation of our fine woodcutter Bersercules, you've been appointed as our gem cutter! Your job for cutting gems is vital for our dwarven economy and prepare us for harsh times ahead. ALL HAIL ARMOK!

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  7. @R.Gers I'm liking the name, and that I get to play with shiny things (one of my favourite pastimes) but I don't play dwarf fortress. This could hinder my success.

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  8. Reserve two minutes AFTER the time for the screamers.

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  9. @Fang That is one way to do it, but they seem to care more about attention, even negative, than their message.

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  10. Say it proud 'n protesty angry lurker!!!

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  11. Yes, very annoying. The Phelps clan out here has a similar agenda that is nasty.

    On the plus side, you should definitely read about the patriot guard riders. Insipiring counter protest.

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  12. I didn't even know about that day. D:

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  13. @Copyboy haha well he was short and sweet, but got the point across.

    @ipenka I might just have to do that. They just want to get attention, and they're definitely going to do that.

    @My 2 Pesos Hehe that's okay. I think everyone has their own.

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  14. Some people will be silent, some people screaming, I'll be getting drunk and playing videogames.

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  15. No matter what side you take, there is no right side. Everyone feels they are the victim, but we are all the victims.

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  16. @Interwebs Fails I'll be playing video games, but I probably won't be getting drunk.

    @SCS Well we are all the victims of one thing or another.

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  17. In Canada, Remembrance Day is really important. Well, where I live in Canada. Everyone is already wearing their poppies on their shirts. I already lost one -.-'

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  18. @Jodie-Ann I can never get the things to stay on either -_- I think I'm doing it wrong.

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  19. you've been out for a while..^_^

    I noticed something is new..

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  20. Moment of ignorance here, I just noticed that's the same day as Veterans' Day here in the US. Would these two days be the same concept, just different names?

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  21. Dont think we have this in NZ, but we have ANZAC day to commemorate the australians and new zealanders that died during war.

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  22. I have to say that regardless of thought on the protest, they have the right to protest. Non-violently, or course. Maybe it is because of the fallen soldiers, maybe it isn't. Who can say? Then again, without those soldiers, maybe there wouldn't be a reason to protest

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  23. I'm surprised I didn't here anything about this over here in America. All of our news media is focused on two sex scandals :\

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  24. @Mai Yang I don't think I've changed anything. Maybe you were just slow to notice :)

    @Gryt Yes more than likely. We named ours after the Armistice agreement between the allies and the Germans that ended the war. You named yours after your veterans :)

    @JDC One of New Zealand's stereotypes is that you guys don't get on too well with Aussie, nice to hear that you do at least remember your fallen together :)

    @Generally Disgruntled They certainly have a right to protest. By banning their protest we're just inciting worse, possibly violent, ones. My main point really seemed to be "Surely there are better ways to go around this?" directed at both sides.

    @Shaw I had no idea there were two sex scandals. I heard about one, but that was only because I got the Daily Show one day. Who'd have thought you could actually get news from The Daily Show. They never play it every day though so I'm out of touch with American news. Over here everyone has been talking about how the Eurozone is all fucked up.

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  25. You know what? I say whatever about these people who are "outraged" about people using this opportunity to air their grievances. When political issues were supposed to be put aside for the China Olympics everyone cheered when activists put out the Olympic torch. Now they say "Curse the taste of my own medicine!"

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  26. I have an idea.
    Why don't we offer the Moslems that live here the chance to join us and observe the silence for their war dead too.

    I know I know never gonna happen.

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  27. @Mai Yang haha then it was a slowish reaction :) It's not old, but it's not that new either.

    @Henry I agree, to a point. I think that part of the reason is that this is just such an emotional day for everyone, people shouldn't be ruining it. But the people do like to hate the taste of their own medicine, it's a proven fact.

    @dirtycowgirl Really that already happens, or is implied at least. They're perfectly fine to remember their own set of dead, but I think they would be offended if we offered them our day to do it.

    @Dilord It is that too!

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