Tuesday, 13 September 2011

Why Do I Believe In God?

Real first off:http://hasidicplumber.blogspot.com/2011/09/late-night-chatter-with-rafi-our-second.html I did an interview. Read it or suffer my chocolate covered WRATH!


First off: I mean no offence with this post. None. If you're religious, it's cool. My dad is a Christian and so is my best friend. They are good ones, who are comfortable with homosexuality and don't take the bible as law. There are other good religious people, you guys just get a lot of people ruining it for the rest of you. I also don't mind if you're an atheist. Again, no offence has been meant, if you're offended, I will apologise my ass off for hurting your feelings, but not for speaking my mind. You want free speech, accept mine. Please note that's also a problem I have with atheists. And everyone else for that matter. Anyway:


Bob commented on a recent post with the comment:


Mark: Why would you believe in him then? People mostly believe in God, because it makes life easier to bear for them and also it makes them less afraid of death, but if you agree, that he's an asshole, why would you believe in him.
Not to mention, that there's no evidence of his existence.



And we got it worked out that he was cool with me waiting to make it into a post. So here it is, hope it was worth the wait man. 


Believing in God doesn't really make my life much easier to bear. I was removed from the church when I was about 4. but I have still enjoyed being in them. Churches can be beautiful places. Anyway, we were talking about God. I just wanted to make a point I haven't been raised Christian. 


I'll admit that when I was in my later teens, I did turn to God to make life easier to bear, but not in a "God will fix everything" way, but in a "God won't fix it for me if I don't put some damn effort in myself". I'm not relying on God to fix things for me. I also really do believe that the road to Hell can be paved with good intentions. 


So yes, I believe in God, but not totally to make life easier to bear, to make things smoother for me, because I really doubt that he will make it easier for me. It's why I still say that I want to punch him in the face when I die. 


Which leads us onto being more comfortable with death. I am NOT comfortable with death. I don't really know what happens after death, and even if I did, it wouldn't make me any more comfortable with it. I have my own thoughts on it, but like I said, that doesn't help me confront my own mortality. I don't want to die, and I doubt I ever will. Although, there is a way I want to die, self sacrifice. I want to use my life to extend the life of someone I care about. Hell I even stopped playing The Sims because the Sim I made based on me was about to die, that's how much the concept of death scares me. Though I am comfortable with the deaths of others, even if I have no real way to react to it. 


God is an asshole. A massive, massive asshole. He's a bastard and a dick. But he has his reasons.  Before Bob made the comment he did, he made another one, mentioning children who are born just to die of starvation, and how can someone believe in a God when things like that are happening. God's an asshole. But people dying brings people's attention to the problem, and they can either choose to help, or not. It's a tragic shame that these people have no real control over their own lives, it's mainly other people that have control over them. As much as I hate to I'm going to bust out a classic religious argument here. That these children are soon in the hands of God, and in a much better place. Although the Jehovah's Witnesses I talked to yesterday told me that humans don't go to Heaven. That Earth was our paradise, and we can live forever here. For me that's just God admitting to reincarnation. Either way, it means that the suffering they never asked for, never really deserved, is over. If people had acted sooner, their suffering could have been ended without it having to come to death. Make no mistake I'm not trying to justify the actions of a God, I couldn't even if I wanted to, I doubt even he could. I'm trying to explain it as best I can. You don't justify why a man killed his wife by saying it was because she cheated, it explains it, sure doesn't justify it.


If you want to get into tornadoes and hurricanes and floods and other such natural disasters and what kind of God could let that happen. The world is so finely balanced that no one should mess with nature, not even God. Deserts are dry for a reason, places with heavy rainfall get that for a reason, everything fits in perfectly, it's best not to mess with it. Natural disasters are just that, nature. And disasters. Even the garden of Eden probably had some rain. It must have done for that tree to grow. And for the love of Satan I'm not a creationist. The world is millions of years old, probably billions, the sun is at least, you've proved that. If fossils really were put here by the devil to test our faith he'd probably be doing more cool shit.


I mostly think God is the why, I think that God is what banged the big bang, I think he wrote the laws of physics, man found them so we better understand things, he can change the way the world works, but it works just perfectly as it is, so he wouldn't. That's just what I think anyway. 


One thing atheists like to say is that they encourage people to think for themselves and not just follow a religion blindly. I don't follow a religion blindly, I don't like religion, and I mostly use the word "think" and not "believe". 


One last point, common, again, but a good one, absence of proof is not proof of absence. You can say that logically you don't have to prove a negative, that you don't have to prove that something doesn't exist, but I don't buy it. People believe in aliens because you can't really prove that they don't exist. I for one find it almost beyond egotistical to imagine that we are the only intelligent life in the universe. With how vast it is, it seems quite reasonable to assume something is out there somewhere. The moon landing is another good example. There are people who continue to believe the moon landing was faked, even though most of their "evidence" has been disproved. Can you not just accept that there are some people who are going to believe no matter what you put in front of their face, and leave them be? There are probably people where if you showed them the dead body of God (assuming the dude has a body) they will just say "He can't be God, because he died". Though personally I believe everything has an end. One day even existence itself will probably cease to exist.


I'll be happy to answer any questions you have, but remember, I think God is the why, I don't really think he can change much of the world, I just think he's up there. I also don't plan to change the way I live for some magic man on a cloud.  If God is real, I doubt he cares what I do as long as I'm happy. 

64 comments:

  1. Great post, personally I haven't put much thought whether I believe in god or not. So not much to say from my point of view.

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  2. i like the way you keep an open mind about this and dont follow any religion blindly. Personally, i dont believe in God because, no matter how hard i want it for our lives to have a higher purpose and meaning, i always go back to the conclusion that we are just evolved viruses.

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  3. @T Papar I'm not saying we aren't ^^ There really might not be anything more special to our lives either. We won't know until we die, and by then it won't matter.

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  4. If God exists, me and him are on fighting terms because of things he determined years ago. But my journey to atheism started about a decade ago, and was solidified the day that my mother, who was a strict adherent to everything that the Christian religion say a person should be (she was catholic), died of colon cancer. That was the day that I no longer questioned the existence of god. I especially rejected the Christian concept of god, because what kind of an all-loving god would take a preschool teacher over her dejected, asshole son? So, I determined that god doesn't exist, asshole or not. But that's my answer. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions on the matter. I hate organized religion, but to be fair, I say the impact it had on her life before she died. It can give someone a sense of purpose. But not me. because I'll bear that burden. Because I will not go quietly into that dark night

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  5. @Generally Disgruntled It really sucks about your mother :( Someone I know had cancer, and actually had a recovery that even doctors called miraculous, but not everyone gets that. But you're awesome just how you are, you don't need a belief in God to affirm yourself, you're a badass mofo and I really pity whatever God might exist when you die if you ever get the chance to meet him. I repeat what I said on your blog, and what I've said to you before, you sir, are a gentleman, and a scholar.

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  6. Hopefully it's the god that requires me to worship him before I am admitted into heaven. because I already have a fucking sweet place overlooking the river styx in hell

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  7. @Generally Disgruntled I think I'm going to have a canal boat on the river itself. I'll admit it might make a nice view to overlook it, but this way I can con people into thinking I'm the ferryman, further establishing the fact that I belong in Hell.

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  8. As a lapsed Irish catholic (once in never out) it was beaten into me by successive groups of nuns and christian brothers that he did exist and I was going to hell if i didn't follow the rules but now I think he just abandoned us and started elsewhere.

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  9. @Generally Disgruntled If the bible's right we can even have Ghandi over, I bet that dude knows how to party. And Curt Kobain, suicide = instahell.

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  10. @The Angry Lurker He might just have done that really.

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  11. oh! don't really wanna involve myself with this kind of topic :)

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  12. Shit, I'm holding out for Hemingway. Dude's my fucking idol.

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  13. @Generally Disgruntled Ernest? I'm yet to read any of his works really. Feelsseriouslyfuckingbadman.

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  14. Well, you being British and all, not super surprising. I recommend A Farewell to Arms, The Sun Also Rises, or The Old Man and the Sea. He may be misogynistic as fuck, but that does not stop him from being one of America's greatest authors of the 20th century

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  15. @Generally Disgruntled Doesn't being misogynistic help him in that regard? I have too many books to read, too many things to do. One day I'll get round to actually doing them. I need to finish Dracula, read 1984 and Brave New World, finally get round to reading Fight Club, and then maybe some Hemmingway. By the time I'm finished I'll be too old to write my own book lol. Which is something I should also work on. I won't say there's not enough time in the day, there is, I'm just not using it.

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  16. i cannot, and will not, ever stop someone from reading 1984 or a Brave New World. They're two sides of the same coin. And I feel that not using time. It's 8 in the morning, I haven't slept yet, and I'm drunk. I am not going to work on shit right now.

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  17. @Generally Disgruntled I had to force myself to get up at ten after giving myself four or five hours sleep. I'm lucky I can even reply to comments and read blogs right now lol. But you seriously need some sleep.

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  18. God may be an ass, but what about the humans who ignore the suffering of others? We're no better than God, even though we sometimes claim to be.

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  19. @FangA very good point :) One I kind of raised too. You can say what about the starving kids in Africa and everything, but people aren't doing anything about it. Death might be a kindness for them. If you won't help with their suffering and help prevent their death, don't wonder about why it happened.

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  20. I believe in God. I mean where else did Jewish guilt come from?

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  21. MARK'S THEOLOGICAL RAMBLINGS ARE EPIC. I like this post very much.

    The perspective on atheists was refreshing. A certain type of atheist adheres just as blindly to their lack of faith and try to push it on others as the most zealous of believers.

    Fossils were put here by the devil to test our faith?

    what is this I don't even

    religion explains everything

    hahahaha

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  22. Also, later teens? :) I'm narrowing your age down to twenties.

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  23. I agree with most of this (especially if a god exists he's an asshole) but I firmly believe that anything that can be asserted without proof can just as easily be dismissed without proof.

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  24. Sorry, but I don't see any reasons, why you believe, in this post.
    All you did was explain your views on god, which again don't make much sense to me.
    Do you think, that god is all powerful? If yes, than "But people dying brings people's attention to the problem, and they can either choose to help, or not." or "The world is so finely balanced that no one should mess with nature, not even God." as a reason for him being an asshole makes no sense at all, since if you can do Anything, you can do WAAAY better than this. Like I said before, if he's all powerful, he can create world, where such situations as the guy getting hit by lightning or babies dying of starvatiom would never happen.

    "he can change the way the world works, but it works just perfectly as it is, so he wouldn't."
    Again.. dem babies (and a LOT of other stuff).. what's perfect about that? I don't see it.

    It's funny, how all believers have totally different oppinions about who god is and what he wants. That alone makes it really improbable, that any god exists, because he should at least manage to make everybody's views on him consistent.

    You changing the "believe" word for "think" does still not make it anything else than your faith, since you have no proof about any of this. Maybe that god is an asshole, but that sentence kinda implies that there is one, which again is totally based on faith.
    And yes, of course you don't need to prove, that something doesn't exist, unless you claim that it doesn't, which most people don't since it's pretty hard to prove, that it doesn't. But if someone says, that god exists, he has to prove it or otherwise he's just talking out of his ass. Of course you can say, that you believe or think or something that whatever you see fit exists, like flying spaghetti monster.
    "Can you not just accept that there are some people who are going to believe no matter what you put in front of their face, and leave them be?"
    Nope, I'd rather help them use their brain and not believe in made up stuff for no reason. Of course some people are probably hopeless. I don't think you are though. :P

    Hope I did not piss you off. This of course is not personal. I just don't get, why would you believe in a guy, that pretty much does nothing at all, because everything is cool the way it is. I don't think it is, but if if it is, then what do you need god for, if he does nothing anyway?

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  25. I wish you'd stop posting about god, it's getting fairly redundant. :P

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  26. @Shaw lol this was in response to a comment, I don't know if it'll happen again.

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  27. @the Rambler LOL They can do sometimes, but they don't see it that way, because they see their arguments as based on science and fact. But thank you for your kind words ^_^ And yes, creationists believe that Satan (or god) put the fossils here to test our faith. I for one can't understand why you would want to deny dinosaurs. Those guys were AWESOME.

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  28. @the Rambler I think you're the only one to actually try to guess my age :P

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  29. @DWeiTrue, that's where the words "faith" and "belief" come into play. Though just because something cannot be proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think there are a lot of scientific theories that remain unproven, but are taken as fact.

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  30. I'm a borderline agnostic, culturally Catholic (semi-lapsed). I believe in a Supreme Being but I don't claim to know His nature. I think the problem with religion is not in the belief in God or the afterlife, it's DOGMA. What you have to do in order to please God and be able to go to Heaven and the afterlife.

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  31. @Bob I don't like the idea of a world like that, I spent some time arguing with a Jehovah's witness about it. I personally do not want to live in a world like that. People share some of the same beliefs I have, I'm glad we live in an imperfect world. This is the only world we have and we should make the best of it. Rather than wishing for one we don't have. Like I said I just believe that he was what banged the big bang, he wrote the laws of physics, he just started everything up. For all anyone knows he has fucked off and abandoned us. I don't think I'm about to not believe in God. I don't think you pissed me off, I might just be too tired lol, but just because he doesn't do anything noticable doesn't mean he's not there. I don't need God for anything, I don't expect him to do anything for me, I do shit for myself. I'm working on losing weight and being awesome myself. I don't need a God for that. I just think the bastards up there somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if I did have my own little corner of hell waiting for me.

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  32. @Film Geek Bastard I too have a serious problem with Dogma, if there is a God, I doubt he cares about what I do as long as I'm living a good life.

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  33. Mark: So you believe that all he did is "start" this universe and invent laws of physics and only thing that pretty much changes for you is that you're gonna go to hell for whatever reason? Why would you believe that? I don't get it.

    One other thing - if you're glad, that we live in an imperfect world, than why is god an asshole? Shouldn't he be pretty cool guy, since he created a world that's "perfect by being imperfect" or something?

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  34. @Bob One thing you'll learn about me, I contradict myself a lot lol. I didn't say that's all he did, well, not intentionally, I'm just saying that hey, that could be something he did. Just start everything up, lay the foundations, then just leave it be. I don't think people are going to go to Hell that much. Why wouldn't I believe that? I'm supposed to believe that there was nothing, then suddenly an explosion happened? I believe the big bang probably did happen yeah, I think they have some pretty good proof too. I really meant that I'm glad that people are able to die, there are some people who I'm quite happy to think "At least they'll be dead soon" like Bush, Cheney, Michelle Bachman, evil dictators, and general dicks. But there are a lot of people that don't deserve to die that do, so he's still an asshole in that respect.

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  35. Seems like your thoughts on god are all twisted to fend off atheists! If you wanna believe in god you don't need to have all sorts of justifications for it. Just believe! I'm an atheist and I just don't believe in god!
    We can all be friends!

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  36. I'm content with everyone believing what they want to believe in as long as they don't try to 'convert' me to their ways. That goes both ways, of course, but if anyone wants to join me in my apathetic indifference, wooooo.

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  37. Why do we always have the same thoughts? I myself has a part that says "Science is right" and part of me say s "there might be God". So I just don't mix my self onto these things because I will just end up in never ending arguments and debates about people's preference lol.

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  38. "I'm supposed to believe that there was nothing, then suddenly an explosion happened?"
    Not sure what that means. There's not only that or "wizard did it". How about "I don't know" ? Oh well.. whatever.

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  39. I asked why you believe it, also because you made a post about why you believe, but did not really explain, why you believe. Or maybe you did, but I missed the point, not sure.

    ... why wouldn't you believe it? Maybe because you have no proof, so there's no reason to believe it.

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  40. why you believe in god and not in allah, buddah or praise the pasta (sidenote: pastafari is a religion where you praise the pasta... wierd, i know)? I dont want to make fun of it (because of the pastafari it may sound so) but i want to know why you have choosen god and not any other god/s?

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  41. @Mekkor A good question. Buddha is not a god though just wanna point that out. Okay, now for the question. It could be one of those, those Gods are all pretty much the same big guy. I know Christians who believe that there is more than one God, and this could be the case, as for why I believe in that specific God, well. I don't. I just believe that there is A God, not necessarily THE God.

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  42. @cheshire You aren't that apathetic if you can "wooooo" :P

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  43. @Bersercules Well not every atheist is like you :) You need to be able to fend them off or they won't leave you alone.

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  44. @Bob There are hypothetical things in science as well that are yet to be proven but taken as fact, just like there are things in spirituality. Maybe the wizard was God? lol. There are a lot of things I don't know, and there are a lot of things science doesn't know either. Like Dara O' Brian said, science knows it doesn't know everything, or else it would stop. I'm not sure I could really explain beyond simply "I do".

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  45. Mark, that was an excellent post. I would go so far as to say I'm an anti-religious man. Note the difference from saying I'm an atheist. Nevertheless, you are the kind of person whom I would hold nothing against for believing in what I don't. You presented your thoughts (I won't call them 'beliefs', as you like, haha) intellectually and I respect you for it. Still I will say that based on your views of God (with the capital G) it seems very arbitrary to be addressing the Christian god. You address that particular one because you happen to have been introduced to it through family. You could just as easily be talking about any higher power figure from another religion.

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  46. @Henry Thank you ^^ I can be quite anti-religious myself. I actually have more faith in God than I do humanity. I'm just referring to A God. The Christian God goes by many names, Yahweh and Jehovah to name a few (okay probably the only ones) I just use God. God, being a name, deserves a capital G. I capitalise God, but not "He".

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  47. I read the whole post, i don't want you to think i didn't. But this is one of those topics i'd rather stay away. I hope you don't mind, but i cant help staying away of religious discussions. I'm sorry. Im not offended or anything, i really dont, but i will still avoid commenting on this.

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  48. Great post. Though I did not read the above comments for my expedience, I have to say:

    Some say that religion, i.e. God, is a crutch for the weak. In other words, it makes life easier to bear. Conversely, I argue the idea that religion is instead surgery for the dead; religion is not something that makes life easier to bear, but makes life in itself as we were "dead" in our sins.

    As to the notion that God is an asshole, I must say that God is an indirect asshole. The sins of Adam lay upon our shoulders and that is injustice to its greatest extent. Yet, it must be said that this is a cursed earth, an earth ridden with the corpses and excess of the decent of man that we were not responsible for in the least bit. So in some way is God an asshole, but in some way he is Just.

    As for the proof of the existence of God, I like to think of it in the way of Pascal: The potential consequences of NOT believing in God are not worth the risk. (You can read more on this, IF YOU WANT TO of course; I don't want to encroach on Mark's blog, here: http://incessantgrievances.blogspot.com/2011/08/short-rant-regarding-atheism-and-logic.html)

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  49. @George Anderson I already follow your blog but I hadn't read that post. Thanks for that good read :)Like I said a belief in God doesn't really make my life much easier to bear. Hell I curse the guy more than I praise him I think. You have some good thoughts :)

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  50. Mark: Of course believing in God doesn't make your life easier. In fact, it makes it harder, as you are susceptible to the abuse of rationalism, science, &c. Somewhere in the Bible it reads, "The world will hate you for your beliefs." or something along those lines.

    Lol @ "Hell I curse the guy more than I praise him". Good pun. If God DOES exist, however, who are we to question what is, in our perspective, bad for us? If God DOES exist, let us lie low and know our place. Instead of treating curses as curses, treat them as the absence of blessings. Only then will blessing shine out in the midst of turmoil. Deem loss as nothing, value nothing worldly. Only them will one know real happiness, as the loss of that worldly object would amount to nothing at all as it was deemed nothing prior to "loss". (The dissenters will suggest the blind following of religion and ignorance of the reality of the situation.)

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  51. God is the creator of all the laws of nature, he decided the speed of light.

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  52. @Linux and Life He didn't make it fast enough, I want to touch the rings of Saturn, and break some of Pluto off to cool down my coke.

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  53. @George Anderson I'm a firm believer in science as well though ^^ If God does exist I'm pretty sure he knows right and wrong better than us, and what not, it is something I've covered before actually. I don't think we should value nothing worldly, if we don't class anything as worldly, we would have nothing to live for. I just thin we should be more careful at what we value so highly. For example I could deal with the loss of my computer (eventually). I could just replace it. But the memories the computer contains, those I cannot replace. I would feel an insufferable amount of loss if I was to lose my best friend, I consider her irreplaceable. Rather than value nothing, we should just rethink how much value we put on things. Especially material things. Do you mind me asking if you're a Buddhist? You say many things that I believe Buddhists do, or at least, are attributed to Buddhism, ie, the lack of worth of material possessions.

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  54. I do advocate a complete disregard of material, but no, I am not a Buddhist; I am merely stating an idealistic form of mind that could be attributed to both Buddhism and Christianity (as Paul writes "But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ.")

    Materialism, consumer theology, if you will, is in fact too difficult to dispose of, especially in this social cesspool of incessant exposure to mediation and entertainment (defined as temporal happiness, an easy and cheap replacement for true happiness which is found nowhere in the world, the loss of which is defined as unhappiness).

    But you and I and all reading this can only ponder the lack of materialism. As I like to say, humans cannot consider beyond the moment for more than a moment.

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  55. @George Anderson Yes I don't mind at all as long as there's attribution and credit where credit is due. I've never had someone use my writing before. Except one interview and a collab post but like I said those aren't all my own work. Anyway yes, feel free to use this to your hearts content. Maybe God wanted us to be happy and have fun, and knew that we would never find true happiness so he gave us material goods so that we may have some fun. If God really is the evil force behind the material world though, I'm more pissed off at him lol. If you can give up your material goods, then I say well done on being able to do something so difficult that you want to do. Some people on the other hand do not want to give them up, do not want to lose them, and I for one would not wish to take them, and deprive of them of their happiness, no matter how fake or fleeing ^^. I'm not saying you would by the way, it's just a stance on commercial materialistic-ness. If people want to have a lot of material goods, then so be it. If people want to smoke so be it. If people want to be overweight so be it. It's their body and their mind, let them do what they want with it. Maybe I could make a post about that actually. Ahhh inspiration can come in the oddest of ways.

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  56. Whether I agree with your logic or not, I give my thanks for your thorough explanation of your views. It appears that a lot of the time non religious folk will have a very narrow and constrictive perspective on religion, in a very similar fashion to what Bob wrote in his first response.
    Either way, it's good that people can see why some people believe what they do, and even how it can correlate with other systems of thoughts such as science.
    Absolutely love the blog! Looking forward to future posts, even if they are aren't religious based. :P

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  57. @_Lumina_ Thank you very much ^^ I've done other posts on God (leading to people calling for this to be the last one >_>) that you might find interesting. I like Bob but we're never going to agree on this lol, but it's good we can put it aside and concentrate on who the other person is as, well, a person, rather than our beliefs.

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  58. My mom is christian and my dad is a muslim. Even though my dad raised me to be a muslim, I still grew up in a catholic school because most schools in my country are catholic schools. In the end, I ended up with no religion.

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  59. I believe in god. I just believe god is a crazy woman named Eris.

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  60. I like to stay out of religious debate (on the internet. its just too easy for people to take things out of context), but this was a good post, followed by some great discussion in the comments! We may have different views, but you're still cool in my books, Mark!

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  61. Keep the dream alive, dude.
    I know I'm not dying either, and it's a shock to know someone from Europe actually believes in God! So many people in that region are athiest, I unofficially nicknamed it The Zone of No Lord.
    Speaking of death, if I had to die.....I would love to do a few things in terms of enjoyment before being tranquilized with Etorphine while having the fuselage of the plane I'm riding on burst open and suck me out. Yes, all of this stuff takes place on a plane.

    Anywho, nice post. As always.
    Although this is one of your older posts, it's still good to read. I've already tweeted your blog like 3 times. Of course, I tweet so much.....whatever.

    Keep the content flowing, dude. I appreciate it.

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  62. @Majin_Curse If you weren't so far I way I would rape you...I mean hug you, I mean, shake your hand. Thanks a lot for the shares, they're really appreciated :) A lot of people round here are actually still Christian, or Muslim. There are a lot of atheists, but maybe not enough to go as far as calling it The Zone Of No Lord lol. That sounds like a cool way to die as long as you die before impact, or are so tranquillized you don't feel pain. Sure, you'd die immediately after impact, but you'd still feel that split second of your body smooshing and basically turning into goop.

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