Saturday, 10 September 2011

Not Quite Aesop's Fables

After yesterdays posts about games, I thought I'd do another one today. If you can't tell by the title, this is about the game series, hopefully the entire series, Fable. This is a post that's been stuck in my head for a while now, and I thought I'd finally get it written down, as best as I can.

One of the first things I have to say about Fable is: I'm still pissed off they don't let me kill kids. But I can make them orphans...that's so much more delicious. That messes them up for life, a lot more than death. I always pick the right moral choice yet still do things like that lol.

Fable 1 was an amazing game, and I think I jizzed in my pants when I found out that it had a half sequel, which was really an extended version, called Fable: The Lost Chapters. It's seriously freaking awesome. Fable was the game, that as far as I know, created the whole morality thing in games. Which is something I'm kind of annoyed about actually if I'm honest. Mostly because now games that didn't need morality now have it, and well, I play games to escape, not to feel like a dick because I let a village burn. Or in my case feel obligated to help stop a village from burning. That was one problem I had with the morals too. Everything was always so black and white. You chose to either save a village, or watch it burn (or help set it on fire lol). In the first one, two of the sidequests are killing an entire field of unarmed traders (and possibly a few armed guards), or breaking into the bandit camp to free some traders. Fable games make me play them twice, once on a good playthrough, and once on an evil playthrough. I think I have about 5 profiles on Fable 1 actually. Typically the good choice is also harder. The game encourages evil by just making it more convenient lol. But, overall, a great game, and the pubgames are awesome too!

Fable 2 had some pretty cool additions, but I found myself weeping over the huge time skip. 500 years. WTF? Seriously, WHAT THE FORK. We're provided with a bit of history over what happened during the game, and in the loading screens. What's happened is that the heroes became a bunch of dicks, and so the people burnt down the guild and killed them all, and there hasn't been a hero for possibly centuries. This game also introduced genders, you can play as a girl or a boy. I always played as a boy because I sometimes find guys who play female characters a bit creepy. Anyway, the canon of the series is always considered to be good playthrough with a male hero. There is actually someone in the second two games that you can kill in the first, if you choose to be evil, so it's therefore considered canon that the hero is, well, a hero. Or that there's some crazy voodoo shit going on. Back to the actual game though. It had some cool things, like a dog, who was adorable, and new spells. They also got rid of mana, so I just liked to wander into a town, turn the safety off (so I could kill people) and then just start throwing fireballs everywhere. I feel like doing it now actually lol. It also had one of my favourite characters of the series, Reaver. Reaver is amazingly awesome. In Fable 2 he's a near immortal bisexual pirate, and in 3 he becomes a businessman who'll build a brothel if you let him. Me, being an idiot, chose to build an orphanage instead. A major shame though is that with the massive time skip, there's not much mention of the first Hero, known as The Hero Of Oakvale, and it's like he's kind of forgotten, which isn't nice :(

I'm jumping straight to Fable 3 because this is getting seriously long lol. 3 made some more good changes, but again made some bad ones too. The most awesome change though would be another change to magic. This time you use gauntlets to cast spells. Effectively it seems that Heroes are becoming more impotent over the years, unless Fable four is a prequel, I'm looking forward to rain dances lol. But anyway, it's actually awesome, because you can combine spells now. One of my personal favourites is combining a fire spell with the Blades spell. Blades summons, well, blades (as in swords). Essentially this combination means you can throw swords covered in fire at people, and laugh as you imagine the fire spreading into the piercings made by your swords...or is that just me? Anyway, another thing this game has, is the ability to interact more than ever. You can hold peoples hands, hug them, and interact with them better. Or if you really want to I guess, drag them to a bed, but that is something I don't think they specifically mention being able to do.

Fable has a lot of sex in it if you want it to. It's considered a fairly adult game, you can even go gay in them lol. One of the achievements of Fable 3 is actually to get married six times, a la Henry VIII. Some of the most fun I've had getting an achievement lol. Except for the time in Fable 2 I had to sacrifice 6 people at once, and I didn't know how many I needed. I took a buttload lol, death for all!

There are 2 things to take away from this
1.Fable is an awesome game series, and you should be playing it
2. I'm pretty messed up.

There is a third thing. Again, can someone gaming reddit this? They still won't let me, even after my recent attempts to be more active member of the community by voting on other links and commenting. Bah.

57 comments:

  1. I loved Fable 1, it was like one of the best games I've ever played. Didn't play 2, but recently finished 3; magic is pretty awesome :D Lightning + Fire = mass destruction.

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  2. @cheshireI also love Lightning + Fire! So many wonderful choices!

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  3. OMG! why this topic? I can't relate! hahaha!

    re your comment: yeah yeah, my bad! So, as instructed..I did pass it to my 10 fab bloggers :)

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  4. @Lemons Don't Make Lemonade Please, every game has sex these days. For some reason sex was made easier in 2, and incredibly easier in 3. I think this might be deliberate. Don't expect much though, it's just a blank screen and some weird noises.

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  5. re your comment: it's in your profile :P

    welcome :)

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  6. Haha Fable 2 and 3 I have played to the end and I end up owning ALL of the kingdom and I charge 0 rent. Such a good doer. And I agree the sex is kinda... lol. and BAM! you had a daughter or son that sometimes require RARE gifts ones that you can't even find anywhere and just requires you to fight balverines to get.

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  7. @Dilord "Daddy, I love you, but could you put yourself in life threatening danger so I have a gift? Kthnxbai. What are you waiting for? No I don't need a father figure. Go!" I was almost tempted to play a female character because I wondered what it was like to hero while pregnant lol. I pity the balverine that tries to fight a hormonal hero.

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  8. @Mark: please? ^_^ hehe..why not?

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  9. @Mai Yang If you mean the picture I use in my profile you're more than welcome to that, if you mean a real picture of me, then no :P I just don't want people on the internet knowing what I look like, I'm not a cute little Asian girl :P

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  10. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! :((

    fine, I'll use the one on your profile! hmp ;-p

    ^______^

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  11. Yeah i loved fable as well never even knew there was a fable 3

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  12. @Major.Mack You didn't? I don't understand how anyone could have escaped that lol.

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  13. Long comment time since you are posting about something right up my alley. Fable wasn't the first game to do the morality "thing". You can just look at Lionhead's other game, Black and White, that was made 3 years prior. Before that you had countless RPGs that allowed morally ranged choices, but didn't bash you over the head with the duality of morality, like Black and White and Fable.

    In my opinion, I thought Fable 2 was the best game of the series. It had a much better story and characters. Where fable one was just "An ancient evil awakens, and the chosen one has to defeat it" cliche, Fable 2 had a well developed morally dark gray villain that even I could empathize with. Loved Lucien, as well as Reaver, Hammer, and Garth. The world was more open and interesting, and mann, that ending. It was so great from a story telling standpoint. Fable 3 tried to top it and failed miserably.

    I didn't have any problem with the time skip. I played the lost chapters back to back with 2 and I think it would just diminish the achievements in the first game if there was yet another world threatening force in a small amount of time.

    Though Fable 3 freaking sucked. Male voice actor for the hero wasn't good. Characters voiced by the likes of Simon Pegg and Ben Kingsley were ridiculously underdeveloped. Skill progression was casualized with the whole king's road thing.
    Worst of all was the generic evil that was never explained, even worse than Jack of Blades, and the abrupt ending caused by the terrible countdown system that gave the player no warning.

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  14. @ShawStill not the longest comment I've ever gotten. I can't believe I forgot about Black and White, I did love that game. I was always such a nice God. Quite at odds with how I played Fable lol. I mentioned the duality thing too, it was annoying at times. I can't remember the end! I can remember the end if you choose the path of the few I think it is, it had 3 endings. But I don't want to spoil it. The countdown was an annoyance. Thankfully my brother played it before I did, so he was able to warn me that it jumps about 100 days and rapes you into submission. I'll admit Fable 3 did have a lot of flaws, but hey, they had a revolution, and a king dressed as a chicken, that's how you earn my love lol. Fable does seem to be getting more casual as time goes on though.

    I want to play Black and White now.

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  15. "Fable does seem to be getting more casual as time goes on though."
    That is more evident than ever with Fable: The Journey.

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  16. @Shaw Fable: The journey? I've not heard of that, as a Fable fan, should I stay clear?

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  17. You should do a whole post on guys who play female characters! Its an important issue!

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  18. I've played the first Fable. It was a great game. now you have me wanting to play the other two...

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  19. I didn't played Fable 1. I heard a looot of good things about Fable 2, i started to play it but got bored really quick. I guess that kind of games are just not for me.

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  20. I played only the first Fable. It was alright.. the morality thing was pretty shallow though and plot wasn't that great either from what I remember, but I enjoyed the fighting mechanics.

    I heard not too much positives responses to the other games.. mainly because the way Molyneux hypes them up every time, talking about how much the world is alive and how much you can affect it's development and stuff like that. And in the end these features were always pretty basic.

    That morality thing has been in games a long time ago already as Shaw mentioned. I think some of the old Ultimas already have something like that or Fallout 1/2 from the newer ones and it is probably a lot more complex than the fable or Black and White games where it is pretty much... well.. black and white only. :/
    I like the way for example Dragon Age does it, where usually neither choice is completely black or white and it's really up to the player to decide what's the better thing to do in that situation.

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  21. It's an linear on-rails kinect title with a cartoony artstyle and no weapons or guns.

    In short, yes to staying clear.

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  22. @Bob Molyneux does hype things up a bit.

    Like, quite a bit.

    I do like some of the morality in DA, like in the mages tower in number 2, you can let a lot of people die, or you can save them, thereby making the world a potentially more dangerous place. Alright, that might not have been so good, but DA2 is a better example. You can either side with the templars, or the mages, either way a lot of people die, and it boils down to what you think. I always side with the mages though because they're on the side of freedom.

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  23. Mark: I sided with mages too, but I don't really like either option. I think optimally there should be some control over mages, but not in the way templars do it.
    I found the ending of DA2 pretty stupid. How the Mages leader turned into that monster for no reason really, since I was already helping them and doing so did not do any good. The templar bitch being crazy made a bit more sense.
    I liked DA2 in general even though Origins are probably better and more polished. DA2 was probably too rushed.

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  24. @Indistinctive Writer You too? I've gone from no awards to 3 in a week. Although two of them were the same >_> Thanks though ^^

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  25. @Bob My only regret is that I never took the chance to rule myself, it's an achievement lol. Maybe on my second playthrough if I go through it. I think companions were a bit better done in two, but I kind of missed the group camp feel of everyone around a campfire and what not. Plus Zevram, one of my favourite characters of Origins, got himself a cameo. I think that the templars are too rough, instead of seeing the potential of an abomination, they just see all mages as abominations. But really, why are we discussing the ethics of a video game?

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  26. Mark: I liked most of the companions in Origins. Not sure why, but I liked Zevran the least.. heh. I did not use him much though since I did not really need a DPS rogue, so maybe that's why.

    I liked Varric and Merrill the most in DA2.
    Varric's awesome, I lol'd at this part:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0TjOMrAck8
    Merrill is mai waifu. :3

    Why not discuss them? We can discuss whatever we want. :P

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  27. @Bob I'm glad I'm not the only one who married Merril. I also like how the game kind of handles that prejudice. She's scared to marry you, not just because her own people will like her less, but because she's afraid of shaming you as well. She's SO CUTE. I loved Varric, he was awesome, and it's a shame I barely ever used the rogues. I used Isabella only because I knew she was going to leave and I was in a desperate bid to keep her. That's also why I mostly used Zevram, but while using him, I came to love him.

    He loved me back too, but I had already gone for Leliana by that point. Again, adorable. Despite being a spy who can murder someone in a few seconds. Plus that accent.

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  28. Mark: I went with Leilana too.. interesting. :) Well aside from her there was only Morrigan, so maybe it's not that strange.

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  29. @Bob lol nearly every character in those games is bisexual. Almost all of the ones in DA2 are at least. You have the pick of the litter, but if you want to stay straight then yes there were few choices :)

    Unless you're into old people, cue Wynn.

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  30. Wynn: You can romance her? Did not know that. All females share the same body model in that game, so she's as fit as the younger ones. :)

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  31. @Bob I'm not sure if you can now you've asked lol. I think if they won't stop at interracial romance they probably won't stop at GMILFs lol.

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  32. Mark: Also that bisexual thing.. I've found that pretty silly. Considering, that even statistically it's pretty improbable, that they would be all bi.
    I kinda agree with this guy:
    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/6661775/1
    in a way that they are probably alienating their main audience with this. It does not make sense from the capitalistic perspective, because you should really cater to the main audience, which is "straight male". Not that I really am offended by it or anything.. I don't really care, but it's still kinda unrealistic. Even though it's a fantasy, I'd still expect humans to behave like humans.. most humans are not bi.

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  33. If I sounded too homophobic, I'll elaborate.

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  34. I don't really care for for Fable but I've also never had a chance to play it.

    If I want moral choice in a game I'll play something by Bioware.

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  35. The only video games I'ever played are SSX Tricky and Winx Club.
    Please don't judge me:P

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  36. @cricketfreak I've seen Winx Club and My Little Pony, I have no right to judge you lol.

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  37. @DWeiHeh me and Bob are still discussing Bioware games here in the comments.

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  38. @Bob I didn't read all of it, but I got the gist, and I do agree actually. Except for him saying Merril was made for straight male gamers, I think she would massively appeal to lesbians, but I don't remember if she's bi herself. Don't worry dude I'm bisexual myself, it tends to be straight people that decide what offends us. I think he made some good points, and so did you. Not every person on the planet is bisexual, most are either gay or straight. I wouldn't mind if they made an all the way gay character either. I also understand not wanting your male companions making passes at you and everything. I had to break poor Anders' heart :( I freakin loved Anders, he was awesome. I think I might have made a bad group though considering it was me (warrior) Merril, Anders, and Aveline. 2 warriors + 2 mages. Sometimes I wonder how I got through that game lol. Then I remember, I was on easy mode for a lot of it.

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  39. Mark: You can see, that a lot of people in the thread for some reason get pissed off at the guy and call him homophobe and some other stupid stuff. It happens often, that if someone is trying to say something "controversial", some people just get pissed, if he's not politically correct enough for their tastes. I don't know if they're homo/bi/hetero/whatever though. Then again most people are retards, so nothing new there.

    I played whole game, except for one boss battle in the mines on hard, since I heard, that the game was easier than origins.. I think it's true, since I had difficult time on normal in some places with origins, but not so much in here without it being on hard.
    I played mostly with me as warrior, Aveline for tanking, Anders as healer and Varric for some damage + opening locked stuff. I think that 2 warriors and 2 mages are probably better, but I wanted to be able to open dem chests + Varric is cool. :)

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  40. @Bob Well like I said, I'm bi and I don't mind his comments. Most people are just happy to jump on the "I'm offended!" bandwagon, and say something offends them even if it actually doesn't, just to make them look big, when really it makes them look like dicks. I had the same set up you did, Aveline was a tank, and I had a big sword and cut things with my awesomah powah. I just couldn't leave Merril behind lol. That is a problem with games that have a lot of companions, you tend to choose a team and stick to it. Hey I might post about that some time too, I have a game where I can't beat the end boss because it rapes you up the ass for not using every character partly evenly. I think there's about 6-8 people and the last boss uses all of them in 1-1 fights. But I do manage to get through all the fights somehow, I just get beaten at the end when it's the main characters turn to fight. Eh.

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  41. Mark: I don't like when they do that.. being forced to use a character, that you almost never used before. At least in DA they all level up with you, so it's not such a big deal. Only thing they don't have is equipment.
    But at least it changes things up.

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  42. @Bob It's nice in DA, I don't think they meant it like this, but it implies that the team is still training even if they aren't fighting. They're still being useful and not just lazing around being useless. I find myself collecting armour and weapons a lot in DA though lol, so I'm a little bit poor, but even the guys I don't use are well equipped. I liked in DA2 how you only had to find weapons. The characters had some great design, and I guess enough people complained about it in number 1 for them to change it in 2. Having said that, I'm glad I could get Leliana out of those robes in 1, no pun intended.

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  43. Mark: I totally forgot, that you can't give your teammates different armor and stuff. Well, I guess both ways have it's advantages. The characters look more distinct and it gives them a bit more character, but on the other hand being able to customize armor is a good thing also.
    One of the games, that I like, Planescape Torment was similar in the way, that you can't change much of the companions equipment, but it made more sense in there, since the guy was for example emotionally attached to his weapon, or one of your compations is a floating skull and giving armor to him would be kinda "strange".. well if you ingore the fact, that he's a floating skull.. but you can replace his teeth, so he can bite better.

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  44. @Bob I think I might have to play that game now lol. I think it works better if you can't change their armour, because like I said they had some nice designs, and the armour did change a bit over time itself. After I married her, Merril started wearing a lot of white instead of her normal green colours, Aveline got the guard captain armour, and so on. Customization is always good, but I think you got to customize Hawke enough. Although I played as the original Hawke because that's who you play as in the bit before the customization actually begins lol. Though in number one I played as an alienage elf.

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  45. Mark: Ye, do play it, it's awesome. A LOT of dialogue though, so if you don't like that, than you're probably get bored, but I'm sure you're not that ADHD type. :)

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  46. @Bob I totally have an amazing attention span, I mean look at the way I can keep my posts short and straight to the point. I don't mind a lot of dialogue, I just tend to get lost in the plot a bit with games like that. with movies it's not so bad, you're only absorbing about 2 hours worth of dialogue, you only have to keep up with that, but with games. it can be tough to remember what you heard about 20 hours ago lol.

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